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Cast of Lost Girl Talk Season 4 and Beyond

By Jamie Ruby

Lost GirlTonight Syfy airs the season four finale of Lost Girl. In preparation, stars Anna Silk, who plays the succubus Bo, Ksenia Solo, who plays her best friend Kenzi, Kris Holden-Ried, who plays Bo's love interest Dyson, and Zoie Palmer, who plays Lauren, the other member of that love triangle, talked to the digital media recently about the end of the season and what could possibly be coming moving into season five.

This season has had a lot of dark moments. One particular heart-wrenching event was Hale (K.C. Collins) being killed. The cast talked about finding out about the character's death. Solo told SciFi Vision, "It was very sad to find out about Hale dying. I think it was extremely unexpected, and the character and the person, K.C. Collins, is such an integral part of the Lost Girl family, and we've all really grown together over these last five years since the pilot. And so, of course, it's like losing a family member in a way. It was very sad.

"But I think we knew at the beginning of the season that that was going to happen...I can't remember exactly when we found out, but we all had to make peace with it as the season went on, but it was really hard to say goodbye to him for sure."

Silk agreed. "K.C.'s brought such a lot to that character too, and he's such a fine talented actor and such a great human being that losing one of our family members is sort of what it feels like."

Lost GirlHolden-Ried added, "K.C.'s and I have been partners in crime since day one. I remember that opening scene where we're finding Anna's first kill in the elevator there, and it's been such a joy working with him. I wasn't involved with the scene where he died, but him and I definitely had our own goodbyes, but they're not for forever I know, just like everyone says, he's working, and hopefully I'll be on one of his shows after Lost Girl."

Last season Lauren used science to turn Dr. Isaac Felt (Shawn Doyle) fae. Would Lauren ever want to turn herself fae? Palmer told the site, "I know for Lauren, my feeling about her is that she is such an experimental person that I can't imagine that hasn't occurred to her at some point, just because she pushes boundaries in science all of the time, and so I feel like it wouldn't be beyond her to push this one too, and that's sort of it. I feel like it's definitely occurred to her; that's not something that never dawned on her."

On the flipside, this season Lauren made Evony, the Morrigan (Emanuelle Vaugier), human. The two actresses had some really great scenes together this season getting to know each other. The actress told SciFi Vision, "It was a huge blessing to work with Emmanuelle. She's such a talented, interesting actress and it took us so long to get into scenes together, so we didn't know how it would go and whether or not it would play. Sometimes something really works on set and then you see it and it's like, oh hmm, it doesn't play. But it did really nicely, and so it was both a pleasure to do it and then a pleasure to see it. She's fantastic, and she's such a lovely actress, and we had a really great time actually."

Syfy Conference Call
Lost Girl


Anna Silk, Ksenia Solo, Kris Holden-Ried, and Zoie Palmer

March 25, 2014
2:00 pm ET

QUESTION: Ksenia, I know that we’ve seen you for a large part the comedic person on the show, and this season we’ve gotten to see you be a little bit more emotional and tearful, how hard is it for you to play that or which one do you prefer?

KSENIA SOLO: I prefer to cry all the time.

ZOIE PALMER: You want to play Lauren.

KSENIA SOLO: You know, of course...

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: You want to play Lauren.

KSENIA SOLO: What’s that?

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: Zoie said you want to play Lauren.

KSENIA SOLO: Oh, can I please? I mean, the last thing I need to do is to learn all that science talk. I don’t think I could pull it off nearly as well as Ms. Zoie Palmer.

I had been doing drama really my whole life until I came on to Lost Girl and it was a really nice switch because I had never really done comedy before. So I’ve had a great time all of these years and it’s been nice in Season 4 to go deeper and get to experience this crazy journey playing Kenzi and we had some really intense emotional stuff and I’m glad that we did because I really enjoy when the show does go darker so it was a great challenge for me but I enjoyed doing it.

QUESTION: You have such an amazing fan-based whether it’s the couples fan-base or the show’s fan-base directly. There’re polls that they’re voting, and they’re nominating people for different awards, and things like that. What does that all mean to you all individually? What does that kind of support and attention mean to you?

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: Who wants to take a stab at this?

ANNA SILK: I think it pretty much means everything to us. I can only answer for myself I guess but to have the support of the fans and the fans have, from the very start, really embraced the show and really been vocal about their love for it and what they think about every detail of it and that really means more to us than anything because that’s who we’re making the show for.

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: Yeah, it’s like in TV we often, I’ve said this before, we film this show in a little dark room with lights and just each other and we don’t have a theater where we get an interaction with an audience and the fans are our audience and to see that we’re actually making them happy, that’s the greatest reward we could have.

ZOIE PALMER: Yeah, I could really only echo all of that, really. I think I feel exactly the same way. They’re the heartbeat of the show in so many ways and I think that as the seasons have gone on and we have a real understanding of how integral they are to the show, they mean more and more to us as we go on.

KSENIA SOLO: Yeah, and I think we only all play our parts and do what we do but it’s the fans who make the show successful and it’s really amazing to know that people all over the world can enjoy it. You know, we get fan mail from countries very, very far away and you go, oh my God, there’s people in Australia and Korea and wherever in the world they’re watching and they’re enjoying and I feel like because of this global community that’s what’s brought the show to the place where it’s at. So I think we’re all very humbled and extremely grateful.

SCIFI VISION: So, last night’s episode was obviously very, very sad, I know I was crying, could you guys talk about what your reaction was when you found out about Hale and also for Anna and Ksenia filming that scene?

KSENIA SOLO: It was very sad to find out about Hale dying. I think it was extremely unexpected, and the character and the person, K.C. Collins, is such an integral part of the Lost Girl family, and we’ve all really grown together over these last five years since the pilot. And so, of course, it’s like losing a family member in a way. It was very sad.

But I think we knew at the beginning of the season that that was going to happen. I think we did, is that right you guys? I can’t remember exactly when we found out, but we all had to make peace with it as the season went on, but it was really hard to say goodbye to him for sure.

ANNA SILK: Yeah, K.C.’s brought such a lot to that character too, and he’s such a fine talented actor and such a great human being that losing one of our family members is sort of what it feels like. But he’s such a talented guy; he’s running around doing shows all over the place. And he’s getting...

KSENIA SOLO: And he’s so cool, too. So he’s just like, not that we’re not cool but the cool factor has changed on our show.

Anna SilkANNA SILK: We have no more cool left.

KSENIA SOLO: Yes.

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: Yeah, K.C.’s and I have been partners in crime since day one. I remember that opening scene where we’re finding Anna’s first kill in the elevator there, and it’s been such a joy working with him. I wasn’t involved with the scene where he died, but him and I definitely had our own goodbyes, but they’re not for forever I know, just like everyone says, he’s working, and hopefully I’ll be on one of his shows after Lost Girl.

SCIFI VISION: I was thinking about last season, and this is for Zoie, Lauren had the whole thing where she turned Isaac Felt, where she made him fae and everything, and I was curious, obviously it would be really fun to play a fae, but do you think that Lauren, and also for Ksenia too, do you think your characters would actually want to be fae if it came down to it? I know Kenzi has had that sparly thing, but it wasn't a real power.

ZOIE PALMER: Well, I know for Lauren, my feeling about her is that she is such an experimental person that I can’t imagine that hasn’t occurred to her at some point, just because she pushes boundaries in science all of the time, and so I feel like it wouldn’t be beyond her to push this one too, and that’s sort of it. I feel like it’s definitely occurred to her; that’s not something that never dawned on her. For research purposes.

SCIFI VISION: Of course.

ZOIE PALMER: That’s a key thing.

QUESTION: This season has had a lot of major plot twists and surprises including, we just talked about Hale. When you first had the script in hand for each episode where there any particular surprises that you found the most surprising?

KSENIA SOLO: Well Hale for sure. I think one of the things that our show runner Emily said about the season, which I think is so accurate, is that the highs are high and the lows are low this season because there’s several things that happened that where really amazingly great and then things that were not so great like Hale and I think there’s always a surprise in every episode.

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: We usually have chats with our writers or our show runner or Jay Firestone on our executive board, so it’s not always the scripts that come and surprise us because luckily we’re on a show that’s small enough that we can actually talk and collaborate with the writers and creators.

KSENIA SOLO: Yeah.

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: It’s always better to know in advance what’s going to happen so you can plan what to do with it as opposed to just going, oh my God and I wish I had done something else in another episode to set it up better. So, luckily they’re on board with that and they don’t just give us the white drafts the day we start shooting.

QUESTION: Ksenia, in an interview that we did at the beginning of the season you said that the theme of the season was coming home and I think we’ve definitely seen that with the episodes that have aired. Can you elaborate on how that’s going to play into the season finale?

KSENIA SOLO: Oh good lord, if I tell you I’ll have to kill you. Goodness, it’s very hard without giving anything away but, gosh I think...all the characters are just trying to find peace, they’re trying to find each other and in that sense are trying to find home and come together and survive and I don’t know. Nothing I say is going to beat the finale. I’m just going to give up before I say something even more stupid.

ANNA SILK: The highs are high and the lows are low.

KSENIA SOLO: Thank you Anna. I know it’s sweet.

QUESTION: I was reading an article from a few weeks ago so congratulations on being renewed for a fifth season and...

KSENIA SOLO: Thank you.

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: Thank you.

QUESTION: It says that plans to restart production this spring, has it started yet for you?

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: Not yet. Are we allowed to say when we go back?

KSENIA SOLO: No, in a few weeks.

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: Yeah, a couple of weeks.

KSENIA SOLO: Oh, I just said.

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: I’m pretty sure we’re allowed to - yeah, we start back in a couple of weeks.

KSENIA SOLO: Yeah, we’re in preproduction now so we - the actors are not there yet but things are happening.

QUESTION: Do you have any difficulty since the show airs in Canada first and then the US, does it make it any more difficult for you in terms of keeping spoilers from people?

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: Absolutely.

ZOIE PALMER: No, nothing ever leaks so it’s perfect.

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: Yeah, exactly, nothing.

ZOIE PALMER: I know, it’s really hard, it’s hard to...

ANNA SILK: It’s impossible.

ZOIE PALMER: It’s hard to...

ANNA SILK: It’s not hard, it’s impossible.

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: For many reasons we all wish that they would simulcast.

ZOIE PALMER: Yeah.

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: Also just because there’s the piracy issue as well but then everybody from the States who really wants to watch finds ways to watch it pirated before it airs in the States so then - also, in network television people are always looking at numbers and because a lot of our audience is so Internet savvy and they watch it on the ‘net, the numbers don’t show properly.

KSENIA SOLO: I was surprised actually last night on Twitter to see so many people that watched it for the first time as well. I do wish that everyone could see it at the same time but I was surprised to see that some people going, oh my God, Hale...People just experiencing it for the first time so some people do wait for the airing here which is good.

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: Yeah, I think you’re totally right, I think it’s actually the majority that do.

ANNA SILK: But it’s so awful when we have huge plot twists and big surprises and half the world knows about them and the other half doesn’t and everyone’s talking about it on Twitter and people can’t go on Twitter because they don’t want spoilers but then they go and they see the spoilers and then they’re upset because the whole season is ruined because they find out how it ends. It’s just very not fair I think that - to the fans.

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: So let’s all voice our opinion to the networks; simulcast, please. Maybe they’ll listen.

SCIFI VISION: So obviously right now things with the relationships are really different because Rainer’s there, and Bo is off in a different direction. Can we assume though that next season it’s going to be more of the triangle that we’re used to coming back again? Because I know that that’s what’s so popular about the series.

Kris Holden-RiedKRIS HOLDEN-RIED: Assume nothing.

ZOIE PALMER: I don’t have a clue.

ANNA SILK: I only have a small clue. I don’t know for sure. We’re not told a ton of stuff obviously, but I do know that the triangle is not going away; I don’t think it would ever go away. So I don’t know exactly what’s going to happen with it in Season 5, but maybe...I don’t know.

ZOIE PALMER: But it will have (stitches in corners).

ANNA SILK: Yes.

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: It might be isosceles, we’re not sure yet.

SCIFI VISION: Zoie, could you talk about your scenes this year with Evony, because they’ve been really great?

ZOIE PALMER: Yeah, it was a huge blessing to work with Emmanuelle. She’s such a talented, interesting actress and it took us so long to get into scenes together, so we didn’t know how it would go and whether or not it would play. Sometimes something really works on set and then you see it and it’s like, oh hmm, it doesn’t play. But it did really nicely, and so it was both a pleasure to do it and then a pleasure to see it. She’s fantastic, and she’s such a lovely actress, and we had a really great time actually.

QUESTION: With Season 5 about to begin, you had some really cool guest stars and when they come in they always bring their own flares and flavor to the show, specifically to their episode. Is there anyone that you would just really love to have in the coming season?

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: Oh God, there’s so many brilliant actors that I’m sure all of us would love to work with.

ZOIE PALMER: I know, I could think of a million.

ANNA SILK: Yeah, our guest stars always bring so much and they always have really great roles to play because the guest star roles tend to be so colorful and, I don’t know...

ZOIE PALMER: I was just saying, the show’s been really smart about the guest stars. We have had a lot of sci-fi genre folks and I think it’s fun when we keep it in that world. Some people from Battlestar might be interesting or Torchwood or I don’t know, sometimes it’s fun to have some crossover type folks on the show.

ANNA SILK: Yeah.

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: Yeah, that’s true. Yeah, someone actually mentioned that it would be interesting if we started crossing some worlds, like whether it’s the True Blood or the vampire - you know, these worlds start uniting but almost like Marvel has united these different franchises with the Avengers. I think that would be kind of fun.

ZOIE PALMER: That would be. The sci-fi Avengers, I like the sound of that.

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: I’m down.

ZOIE PALMER: I’m down too, I can already pick my outfit, that would be good.

QUESTION: I had a quick question for Zoie and Ksenia. Looking back a couple of episodes back I believe it was the episode “La Fae Epoque” where you had the plotline going into Dyson’s head a bit there. The two of you had some pretty distinctive costumes in that episode and I’m curious what that was like when you found out what they were and being able to perform that way?

ZOIE PALMER: Well, for me I was mostly trying to get my head around the fact that I had to sing in French and do a fight scene and have sex with Dyson so what I was wearing was the last thing on my mind. But when we got to the costume fighting, of course, it’s a corset and I wore corsets during my theater training on occasion and remembered them being just a little uncomfortable so the signing scene was a little bit difficult because - well, although you’re doing it to playback you still have to look as though you’re singing and that was a bit of a struggle in something where breathing was a challenge. But I have to say, they did a tremendous job with those costumes, what a brilliant - I think that (Maurine) did a brilliant job and the team over there did a brilliant job on the costume.

Ksenia, I don’t know if you want to add anything for your experience with that?

KSENIA SOLO: Yeah, it was definitely interesting as Zoie said, you’re being slightly suffocated, and I didn’t even have to sing so props to Zoie. It was a very interesting outfit. For me my challenge was not poking people’s eyes out with my wings because they were so big and I was so, of course, not used to wearing them that our wonderful background actors who really made the scene come to life, half of them were practically injured after filming that scene because every time I would make a little turn I would nip somebody so I felt very sad about that. And I was a little cold being so uncovered, so it did not go without its challenges but I think it was cool for Zoie and I to just to be able to do something completely different and look a way that our characters have never looked and will never look again.

ZOIE PALMER: Try wearing wholly man pants, that’s all I have to say.

KSENIA SOLO: Listen, nobody makes wholly man pants look as good as you so...

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: Oh God. Those pants just on a funny note.

KSENIA SOLO: We were just missing Kris in a corset.

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: Yeah, exactly.

ZOIE PALMER: Next season.

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: It would be so slimming on me. I can’t wait, maybe I’ll make it a wardrobe necessity in Season 5.

KSENIA SOLO: Perfect.

QUESTION: I really love Kyle Schmid and I thought it looked like even from the promotional material that he might have been planned to be in that role even last season, is that the case?

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: No, that wasn’t the case.

KSENIA SOLO: No, no, I wonder where you got that from.

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: I know that we were looking for the actor.

KSENIA SOLO: But, yeah, they’ve been looking for him for a while.

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: But Kyle just fit the part.

KSENIA SOLO: He’s great. Kyle’s just awesome.

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: Yeah, no, we were basically saying the exact same thing at the exact same time.

KSENIA SOLO: Yeah. He was fun to work with, he was really great. He had lots of great energy and he’s just really intense in his performance and so he was a really great fit to our show.

QUESTION: Yeah, he really did seem to work well with you all.

KSENIA SOLO: Yeah, I actually worked with Kyle when I was like ten years old and I remember even back then going, “this kid’s got talent.” And so all these years later he’s just matured into an extremely talented actor and I didn’t get to have any scenes with him but just from what I saw, the attraction with him and Anna in all of those scenes, I really enjoyed watching afterwards. But I think we felt that we all felt really happy and lucky that he came and did Lost Girl.

QUESTION: It’s wonderful to see how the dynamic of the triangle has changed too this season. It was very much very against each other even in a friendly way but this time it almost seems like Dyson and Lauren are just amused and accepting and I’m wondering about your thought process as to how that shift has gone?

ZOIE PALMER: I love it, personally.

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: Yeah. I think it - what was it Zoie, it was mid-Season 2 or Season 3 where we both looked at each other one day and we’re like, enough is enough?

ZOIE PALMER: Yeah.

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: We just got tired... Sorry, go ahead.

ZOIE PALMER: Yeah. No, sorry. You go ahead.

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: We just basically didn’t want to play the stereotypical two opposite lovers and we didn’t want to play any sort of adolescent petulant behavior towards each other. We wanted to show these as mature adults, characters, who both happened to love the same woman and grew to respect each other out of that and thankfully the writers and everyone agreed and we’ve been able to go down that road as opposed to something that wouldn’t have been quite as interesting.

Zoie PalmerZOIE PALMER: ...It’s complicated; it’s not black and white. I think that originally when Lauren and Dyson didn’t know each other very well there was an initial dislike as there would be, I think, if you’re competing for the same anything. There was an initial distrust for all kinds of reasons and then as the four seasons have unraveled, I think they’ve proven themselves to each other in various ways in that they’re both willing to sacrifice what they do for Bo and I think that that’s earned the respect.

But I think that there will be, I imagine in the future, still the occasional knee jerk reaction because they’re also human beings who happen to love the same person. So, I think it’s just really layered now in a way that has - it’s just layered and it’s evolved nicely that way I think.

ANNA SILK: Yeah, and to see Dyson and Lauren, it’s like now as we see a rivalry they also recognize a bit of humor in it now too, which is really cool to see you guys play.

QUESTION: Was that your instigation rather than the writers?

ZOIE PALMER: No, I think it was really collaborative that way.

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: Yeah, it is. I mean, that’s what I was saying was so nice about Lost Girl is that the writer door is open and we can talk to them about things and how we would like to see our characters go and we all work together and play off of each other’s ideas.

SCIFI VISION: So this question is from Twitter. They want to know what’s the funniest thing that ever happened when you guys were trying to film a sex scene, any of you?

KSENIA SOLO: Occasionally...

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: Oh God.

ANNA SILK: Well actually - I’m sorry, go ahead.

ZOIE PALMER: No, no, that was it. That was the whole thing.

ANNA SILK: Okay. Well I was just thinking of our love scene recently where in the “La Fae Epoque” episode, I was making love with Zoie’s character Flora but as Dyson, I think we filmed that and when they called cut I remember just falling over and being like, man, that is hard work. I mean, that was just a lot harder than I thought it would be. Kudos to dudes, I guess.

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: To men out there.

KSENIA SOLO: Yeah. I am so glad I don’t have to...

ANNA SILK: We had the crew laughing about that one.

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: Yeah.

ZOIE PALMER: Yeah.

SCIFI VISION: Okay, any of the rest of you?

ZOIE PALMER: I felt like the...Dyson would come in, Bo would come in and then Dyson would come back and then Bo would come back and I was just like, “I’ll be here if anyone needs me.”

ANNA SILK: And it was kind of weird because I had to see how Kris moved, it was weird but because we all know each other so well it was not - it was pretty comfortable.

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: Yeah. Oh my God. I remember there was this one shot of Zoie’s face and I remember I was watching the monitor and I just - come on, I’m better than that.

ZOIE PALMER: It was probably five minutes till lunch.

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: Probably, exactly.

ZOIE PALMER: I was like, “I’m starving.”

ANNA SILK: Oh my God.

QUESTION: Looking back over this past season, what has been your absolute favorite scene to film?

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: The scene that is coming up in the end, in the finale. You’ll have to wait two weeks for me. That was my favorite scene this season anyway.

ANNA SILK: I don’t know. I don’t really know what my - I mean, there were some that were really difficult and challenging and I know the one that Kris is talking about and that was certainly challenging but I don’t know. I can’t say that it was my favorite because it was really tough but, I don’t know. I don’t know, we had a lot of fun. I actually had a lot of fun in that lighter episode of the season which was the Krampus episode.

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: Oh yeah.

ANNA SILK: It was fun to watch you and Zoie and Vex in your drunk scene on the bed was pretty awesome and I just was like, I think I said five million lines in that episode because I never stopped talking and it I just felt like there was a lot of energy in that episode and, I don’t know, I had fun with that episode and I got to work with Rachel quite a bit in it which was a lot of fun and it was ridiculous but I enjoyed it. It was a nice, lighter break.

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: I think that’s been one of our fan favorite episodes this season.

ANNA SILK: Yeah, I think it’s quite popular.

The one where we go back in time was really challenging too, to play Dyson was tough for me because I couldn’t rely on any of my Bo-isms or Anna-isms because that would be a giveaway that I’m no longer Dyson. So that was definitely a challenge for me so I actually had a lot of fun doing that and realized how stoic Dyson is; what a good observer he is. So it was a really good lesson and in that episode too because I was kind of the stoic observer of the story. I got to see the cast around me playing roles differently than they normally do, got to see just how talented everybody is and Zoie is my leading lady and Ksenia and everybody just really did something pretty amazing in that episode.

Zoie PalmerKSENIA SOLO: I think my favorite was the tango scene because it was really awesome to see Kris and Hale, Kris and K.C., dance their butts off.

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: Yeah, that was a great time.

QUESTION: Kris, you mentioned [earlier] how doing the work that you’re doing you’re very much in the moment and are not aware of the fan response until you get out, and certainly, nowadays with social media you get a chance to experience that a bit. But I’m curious now that the show has really blown up worldwide, most of you have had a chance to go to fan conventions. I’m interested to hear from each of you maybe your first experience at a convention once you realized just how popular Lost Girl had become?

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: I think Anna and I have an interesting analogy, like when we went for our first convention.

ANNA SILK: Before we aired at all.

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: Before we aired, it was like 12 people around that table going, “So what’s Lost Girl?”

ANNA SILK: Yeah, Kris - we were at a booth handing out little pamphlets and they’re like, “What’s this show?” And we’re like, “Oh well, we’re going to air soon,” and we didn’t really - it felt more like the Lost Girl lemonade stand, I think.

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: Yeah, exactly.

ANNA SILK: And then the next season it was like we walked out on stage and just heard this screaming and then we suddenly felt like the fae Beatles for a moment I think and it was really cool to see the overwhelming response from one year to the next and it’s only grown from there.

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: Yeah, it’s been a really great experience. I’ve done a bunch of conventions now and I must admit the energy that you get from the people that you meet who have been influenced or touched by the show, it’s extremely humbling and gratifying and thank you all so much for watching and enjoying and giving back to us.

ANNA SILK: Yeah.

KRIS HOLDEN-RIED: It really fills us up and I know it empowers me to continue working.

ZOIE PALMER: Yeah, ditto, ditto, ditto.

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